Dodgy Vet

[Newmo]

Hi everyone,

just a quick question.

Do any of you guys/girls rate the vet?

Both my yearlings are working better without the adds the vet recommended than what they are with.

The diff is about .20 seconds.

Has anybody else found this or is the vets suggestions kick in race day.

Thanks Newmo

[Sparc Stables]

Yes the vet does not help much.I have had the vet say Bute will be a big boost for this horse and have it train .40 slower with it.I just try all of them now,,,

[Maritime Madness]

So we have been paying a dollar for every horse for basically useless if not potentially harmful info

Great way to run a business, carl, please explain

[The 16th Pole Racing Inc]

The vet IS helpful. You need to understand that there are factors that are beyond control. Cycles the horse goes through, and same for the jockeys. Random factors including luck. I think the medications boost your meters. If you read it says Vitamins will help boost your stamina etc. I think if you have strong meters like all 100s or one slightly off you wont see much of an effect. I think the equipment more adversly effects the times on their own. Just my opinion, and I could be wrong, but if I am, I am probably not far off!

[Golden State Bloodstock]

So we have been paying a dollar for every horse for basically useless if not potentially harmful info

Great way to run a business, carl, please explain

[Ryan Express]

There are several meters: speed, endurance, stamina, strength. The meds help boost or reduce one or more of these traits. The vet tells you whether each med generates a net gain or loss. But that doesn't mean you'll see a benefit in workout times at every distances with every horse. For example, if you have a route horse who is already slow from the gate, you might find a med that boosts his stamina or endurance. At 11-12F it will help signficantly. But boosting those traits even more will often slow the horse down in sprint races. For the same reason, if you have have a med that makes the horse increase maximum "speed," the horse may perform worse in longer races because that speed burns him out faster.

Meds and adds work the same -- they don't either "help" or hurt," but must be tested at different distances. Similarly, some horses run shorter races better with lower meters and routes better with lower speed.

[Maritime Madness]

Sounds great but very complicated

Thank-You

There are several meters: speed, endurance, stamina, strength. The meds help boost or reduce one or more of these traits. The vet tells you whether each med generates a net gain or loss. But that doesn't mean you'll see a benefit in workout times at every distances with every horse. For example, if you have a route horse who is already slow from the gate, you might find a med that boosts his stamina or endurance. At 11-12F it will help signficantly. But boosting those traits even more will often slow the horse down in sprint races. For the same reason, if you have have a med that makes the horse increase maximum "speed," the horse may perform worse in longer races because that speed burns him out faster.

Meds and adds work the same -- they don't either "help" or hurt," but must be tested at different distances. Similarly, some horses run shorter races better with lower meters and routes better with lower speed.

[Newmo]

I don't know.

The vet looks a bit like Dr Nick Riviera from The Simpsons

[Aquaman Stable]

I believe going to the vet and utilizing equipment adds are key ingredients to help enhance a horses performance. When I claim a horse, I hope they haven't gone to the vet, because I have found the $1 fee that I pay can improve their performance when finding out they need bute and/or lasix in addition to vitamins. Also, if it's neutral, I might try to see if the addition of meds might help. Equipment adds are trial and error. If I change their equipment, and they run don't run well, then I will revert back to what was previously being used, or make some other adjustments.

It's not a perfect system. There are many decisions that need to be made and several factors involved with getting horses to the winners circle. Entering them in the right class and conditions, finding a suitable distance and surface, and altering jockey instructions can also help improve a horses performance.

Anybody here who's owned real racehorses knows that if you do all of the right things it gives yourself the best chance to do well. I try to follow the same methods with DD.

Regards,
Aquaman